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Pete Broadbent

Given that the Church of England does not require belief in "the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and Baptismal Regeneration", and these doctrines are probably held by only a minority of our clergy and laity, this is scarcely a killer argument.

Jim Beyer

I was unaware of the REC - FCE connection. The problems with the resolution are many. AMiA was explicitly disavowed by both Dr. Williams and Lord Carey when its founding bishops were consecrated during the period of transition as Lord Carey retired.

The issues were a whole lot more complex than the proponents suggested. The synod acted wisely in not going very far down the road.

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FrSimmons

The Real Presence of Christ (not Transubstantiation) in the eucharist is a central Anglican doctrine. I would be very surprised if only a minority of those who actually thought about such things held it.

In any case, the theological differences between CofE and CFE are enough that reunification seems less likely than with the Methodists. A measure that seemed to grant them full communion would have created some very interesting ripples.

Fr. Chris Larimer

Fr. Simmons, I find that statement very broad and a real stretch.

The British, being a good bit more careful about how they use the Queen's English, have left some interesting clues in the opening words of the resolution:
"That this Synod, aware of the distress caused by recent divisions within the Anglican churches of the United States of America and Canada..."

1) First, note that they express that the division is within Anglican Churches. This implies that the churches who have left TEC and ACoC are Anglican.

"recognise and affirm the desire of those who have formed the Anglican Church in North America to remain within the Anglican family;"

2) REMAIN is the key. We cannot be members of TEC or ACoC, but we can be members of the wider family or Communion. However, only the Istruments / Primates can speak for the whole communion. (Any idea where the majority of the primates come down on this issue?) Thus, it is a matter of remaining in unbroken communion with the whole family - acknowledging that there can be no full communion with those geographically closest to us.

3) This is a continuance of previous relationships. Far from your notion of wild-eyed half-breed Anglicans, it asserts that we continue a valid and more-or-less lawful expression of Anglican worship, polity, theology, etc.

Far from kicking the can down the road, they are acting responsibly with regard to what needs to happen formally, while informally expressing the validity of this change.

(You could even say the same about the blind eye turned to TEC bad behavior like uncanonical ordinations of women to the presbyterate.)

PamBG

"The Real Presence of Christ (not Transubstantiation) in the eucharist is a central Anglican doctrine."

Well, that's interesting because I actually left the Church of England as a lay person because I disagreed with the parish I belonged to on this matter. It was/is a Calvinistic conservative evangelical congregation and it declared that there was only one Right View of the Lord's Supper which is that it is a memorial meal and nothing else.

One of the reasons that many British Methodists (which I now am) object to union with the Church of England is that we (Methodists) are liberal evangelical Arminians and many of the evangelicals in the C of E (although not all) are conservative Calvinists.

I'm fairly certain that real presence is not mandatory in the C of E. Common Worship has a wonderfully line-walking Eucharistic liturgy that omits an epiclesis and speak of the celebration as "making a memorial to Christ our Lord".

FrSimmons

Fr. Chris,

I think my point is made in your analysis. The implication of their statement is that the group they are talking about (ACNA) is made up of those who have left TEC and ACoC over recent developments, which is inherently untrue. They simply do not understand the various histories of the groups that make up ACNA, which was something ACNA's reps were not eager to trumpet. The resolution really does nothing, as even Matt Kennedy (Whom I almost never agree with) notes here: http://bit.ly/9ImUUD

Pam,

Article 26 of the 1662 BCP,

"The Supper of the Lord is not only a sign of the love that Christians ought to have among themselves, one to another, but rather it is a sacrament of our redemption by Christ's death: insomuch that to such as rightly, worthily, and with faith receive the same, the bread which we break is a partaking of the body of Christ, and likewise the cup of blessing is a partaking of the blood of Christ.
The body of Christ is given, taken, and eaten in the Supper, only after an heavenly and spiritual manner. And the mean whereby the body of Christ is received and eaten in the Supper is Faith."

I'm not a big fan of the Articles (I agree with William Reed Huntington), but you can us them to pin down the low-church nadir of Anglican theology. Even this rather low-church definition affirms (a certain reading) of Real Presence. While i'm sure some individual Anglicans and parishes may hold memorialist positions, I doubt the CofE could enter into full communion with a group that explicitly espouses such theology - at least without a lot of theological work. It would effectively be the same as entering into instant communion with Presyterians.

The point is, full communion with ACNA could have been interpreted as accepting such theology without any dialogue - a sticky ecumenical wicket.

David+

Stephen Link

The REC may or may not have denied the Real Presence when they were first formed but they appear to affirm it these days.

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/print.php?storyid=11186

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