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June 06, 2007

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*Christopher

Excellent posting. I think for many same-sex coupled folk, the text of David and Jonathan reads our relationships. We juxtaposed this text with the Cain and Abel text, the Gospel text in John in which Jesus calls us friends and gives us a new commandment, and Psalm 133 in our union rite. The texts say a lot about what it means to love just as the text of Ruth and Naomi reads the marriage of a man and woman in our traditional matrimonial rite. The reduction of relationships of self-giving with their joys, sufferings, and everthing else-- the undergoing of passion, to sex is perhaps our great problem and gets in the way of looking at the whole.

Thanks.

Tobias Haller

Interesting review of a rather dated book. The whole friend/lover issue is difficult; but the text itself is revelatory in that it uses the language of love and not the language of friendship. The Hebrew for "friend" only appears (with its other meaning "mate") in the idiom "each other" in the midst of the tearful farewell scene. The vexed passage at the beginning of 1 Sam 18, rather explicitly describes love at first sight. Is there such a thing as friendship at first sight?

Given the tendency to seek to amplify all of the possibly anti-same-sex texts in Scripture, it seems odd to seek to minimize what is plainly a love story -- whether it is sexually acted upon or not. As Lewis said about lovers and friends, Lovers look at each other, friends at a common interest. There is no indication that Jonathan was interested in anything other than David; and it may be that David eventually came to reciprocate.

FrDavid

Thanks Tobias,

I think the whole problem may be an artificial distinction between "Friendship" and "Love." What if they are really pretty much the same and only homophobia requires that we make a distinction? There is certainly a distinction between sexual and non-sexual love, but the text does not take us in that direction.

In our popular culture, you will often see the term "man-crush" or "girl-crush" for a friendly relationship that has emotional attachment. I think it points to the fact that the difference between friendship and love is rather arbitrary, artificial and culturally defined.

David+

Josh Indiana

This article is one of the most tortured bits of reasoning on D&J I've ever seen. Some heterosexuals will go to any length to deny Gayness in their heroes and loved ones.

Fr. David's bias is, "If Jonathan didn't come out to me in my own hearing, I'm going to cook up every reason I can think of to say these guys weren't Gay."

So let me offer a suggestion. I would think a wise priest, keeping in mind that homosexuality is a serious pastoral issue for millions of people, might advise this way:

"If you're not Gay and you want to deny that any blessed person in the Bible could possibly be Gay, you can. The fact is, we just don't know. The Episcopal Church doesn't make people interpret this relationship in a particular way.

"If you're Gay and you want to interpret this passage as affirming the holiness of same-sex love, you can. The fact is, we just don't know. The Episcopal Church doesn't make people interpret this relationship in a particular way."

And let it go at that.

FrDavid

Josh,

I think my point is this: Hetero or homo, it doesn't matter - that's applying modern scientific labels to something in ancient history. D&J is a story about the love between two men, period. To have to ascribe homoerotic tendencies is in itself a product of a (reaction to) homophobic culture. The reasoning that says "David and Jonathan must have been Gay because we see two men showing affection in a way that in modern American society would only be seen between two gay men" shows how truly homophobic our culture is.

It's very unlikely that the devout Jews who redacted the OT would have left anything in the accounts that looked like homoerotic activity, which was associated with Greek immorality. Therefore, those redactors must have seen something else in the portrayals of David & Jonathan - something like the kind of affection I see between male Sundanese refugees all the time.

I happen to believe, from the evidence of text and tradition, that D&J did not have a homoerotic relationship. If it were suddenly revealed to me that they did, it wouldn't matter to me one whit.

David+

Tobias Haller

Catching up after a long delay...

David, the evidence (such as it is) shows exactly what you are describing at work. The Greek version of the Scripture does in fact eliminate the "covenant" established between Jonathan and David (1 Sam 18:1-6), and the explicit language concerning their love (or, at least, Jonathan's love for David). I have long suspected that this passage was omitted in a Hellenistic setting precisely because Hellenistic Jews saw what was going on.

Similarly, Jerome amended the line "You love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women" by adding "for their children."

Clearly some among the ancients saw what was going on and wanted to cover it up. (The devout Jews of the Hebrew redaction likely were as blind to the homosexuality among themselves as present day Africans. Closets can be very well maintained, and people can live in denial as well.)

None of this "proves" anything -- on that I agree with you. But the text itself uses the language of love, not friendship.

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