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February 17, 2006

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Ches

David,

Thanks for the kind attention you've paid to my comments and questions. I always appreciate civil discussion of difficult theological matters, as it is exceptionally easy for passions to flare when talking about personal beliefs and religious choices.

I certainly am not one to play into the hands of the hijackers of the term "orthodoxy" in order to malign GLBT relationships, and I only use the term to mean "correctness of belief," so no worries there. I also will freely admit my personal bias as one who is highly UNorthodox in his beliefs, with a strong tendency toward non-institutional expressions of spirituality and occasional bouts of iconoclastic criticism.

I think what concerns me the most with the issue of orthodoxy, even generous orthodoxy, is the matter of spiritual constraint that extends beyond the individual via notions of "correctness". This statement from the above post,

"Generous orthodoxy does not so much specify a particular point or positions as it establishes a spacious territory defined by certain distinct boundaries in which there is space to live, move and breathe while exploring the wonders and mysteries of the faith."

has in it something that truly confuses me, if we are trying to establish iconic and representative tension to describe or point toward the nature of the divine. By defining "certain distinct boundaries," it still seems to me that we are putting the divine into a box, however "spacious" it might be, and thereby removing its essential vitality.

Please don't misunderstand me, as I don't adhere to an "anything goes" take on moral behavior or religious practice. I do, however, have a hard time seeing how the fact of an institution placing limitations or notions of correctness upon individual experience and interaction with the divine preserves the vitality of faith and the ability of each person to freely express their spirituality. Build our institutions out of the overlapping experiences of many, if we will, but in fixing permanent boundaries of acceptable spiritual experience and practice we still end up excluding and dismissing the validity of the beliefs of an individual who experiences divine revelation in ways different from our own.

I am not particularly anti-insitutional in matters of spirituality, as I think that it is perfectly acceptable for groups of people to join in common worship that respects and celebrates their cultural traditions, religious history and shared spiritual experiences. My difficulty comes when those shared experiences and group norms become the basis for denying the validity of the specific divine revelation of the individual (or even portions of such experiences), or enforcing uniformity of belief and practice and thereby failing to recognize the intensely personal and specific individual nature of each person's encounter with the divine.

I've never been able to think or pray myself out of this position. Defining boundaries, erecting tents, building frameworks (namely permanent and "correct" ones or ones that extend beyond the individual, ie. religious institutional orthodoxy)--all of these seem to be placing limits on God, so to speak, something that I'm not comfortable doing. It seems to be the most insidious pride, a mass hubris that says that we as humans are able to fully and absolutely comprehend something about the divine--making the whole affair a matter of reason and knowledge rather than faith and spiritual experience. The very notion of heresy never even occurs to me because it feels like a betrayal of the fundamental humilty inherent in my spiritual experience to establish my own beliefs and ideas as correct and castigate someone else for not conforming to something that is so personal, not to mention seeming to say that the divine can't reveal itself in different ways to different people.

Right. As if repeating myself weren't bad enough, I'm reaching the ends of my vocabulary that I can use to discuss this kind of thing. It's a matter of faith, not reason, and trying to twist something rational like language to suit it is an exercise in futility, I suppose.

Does this just come down to our definition(s?) of orthodoxy? Our spiritual experiences being at odds? Or have I missed something in there somewhere? I try to work with as few assumptions as possible, but don't always succeed.

In any case, thanks for the read, and I always appreciate hearing different viewpoints on things like this.

FrSimmons

Ches,

Good discussion. I think the fundamental difference here is that in your writing you seem to conceive of boundaries as limiting, while I conceive them as liberating. In science, we make a lot of assumptions that we don’t individually test. i.e. the speed of light, the value of Pi, the Theory of Relativity. It would be impossible for scientific progress to be made if scientists all were required to re-prove everything before they moved forward. The inherited formulae and constants of previous generations of scientists provide a common parlance from which further discovery can be made. I see it much the same in faith. The basics of a generous orthodoxy give us a language and framework to speak in when talking about the divine, but it is only a starting point. Accepted boundaries establish “basics” so that higher-level work can be done. As I mentioned earlier, I see orthodoxy as more of a gravitic mass than actual boundaries.

There is also the sociological component. For a social group to survive, it needs some set of standards and boundaries. The amazing thing about orthodox Christianity is that is has transcended so many boundaries that used to be impassible - race, gender, etc. The debate these days is about the boundary-crossing of GLBT individuals who believe that their sexuality does not impair their orthodoxy. The meta-narrative of Christianity has managed to make these crossings due to its inherent flexibility, no matter how inflexible some Christians make it out to be. ‘For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matt. 11:30)

Furthermore, defining ourselves as orthodox DOES NOT necessarily imply that other faiths or even non-orthodox Christians are not in relationship with God or that they are outside salvation. “I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold.” (John 10:16) The truth claim of orthodox Christianity is this – we believe our way to be one that leads to renewed relationship with God. That does not mean that others do not have a relationship, and it certainly does not mean that salvation cannot take place outside orthodoxy. Salvation takes place at God’s will, not ours, and to try to set the boundaries inside which it would take place would be pure hubris.

So therefore, the function of a generous orthodoxy is not to squelch debate at any level. It is to provide a common language, create a social framework that transgresses traditional social boundaries, and define a way of entering into relationship with God that is positive, but leaves room for God’s work outside the church.

David+

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